okay, i did a little thinking and i see where i misunderstood you.
i do not question that afroamericans and significant number of hispanics are "natives" as much as anybody else in america.
but you see, america is special. it is no longer a monoethnic nation, and hardly ever was that, though there was, until the social revolution of 1960s-1970s, basically an "old rich white anglo protestant male" ruling class. however the whole concept of new america - and i am no fan of the good old times -- is inimical to separating citizens into ethnically or religiously different groups.
now, i DO question that jews in the Ukraine OR Russia are really natives. i may be wrong. however BOTH Ukraine and Russia have a strong ethnocentric/nationalistic streak, and that makes whoever does not belong or pretends to belong to the titular nation - is a second-class citizen in terms of 1) employment, 2) marriageability, and 3) electoral power.
why i say so - both nations, ukranians and russians, are at baseline virulently antisemitic, and in case of russians, even more virulently xenophobic.
i do not see how 26 or whatever years of life after the USSR can erase the traits that persisted for CENTURIES.
i hopw you do not see me as a russophobe or ukrainophobe, like some insects here do, takinet, yankelm, you know them when you see them.
i am just. .. realistic. and i do not believe that - unless a jew thoroughly assimilates, dissolves, forgets he or she is a jew - that they will in any foreseable future be a "native" in either of those two countries.
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Date: 2016-01-15 03:12 pm (UTC)i do not question that afroamericans and significant number of hispanics are "natives" as much as anybody else in america.
but you see, america is special. it is no longer a monoethnic nation, and hardly ever was that, though there was, until the social revolution of 1960s-1970s, basically an "old rich white anglo protestant male" ruling class. however the whole concept of new america - and i am no fan of the good old times -- is inimical to separating citizens into ethnically or religiously different groups.
now, i DO question that jews in the Ukraine OR Russia are really natives. i may be wrong. however BOTH Ukraine and Russia have a strong ethnocentric/nationalistic streak, and that makes whoever does not belong or pretends to belong to the titular nation - is a second-class citizen in terms of 1) employment, 2) marriageability, and 3) electoral power.
why i say so - both nations, ukranians and russians, are at baseline virulently antisemitic, and in case of russians, even more virulently xenophobic.
i do not see how 26 or whatever years of life after the USSR can erase the traits that persisted for CENTURIES.
i hopw you do not see me as a russophobe or ukrainophobe, like some insects here do, takinet, yankelm, you know them when you see them.
i am just. .. realistic. and i do not believe that - unless a jew thoroughly assimilates, dissolves, forgets he or she is a jew - that they will in any foreseable future be a "native" in either of those two countries.
dixi. ;-)